QF needs to get beyond ETOPS 180 certification from CASA and CASA may also need to approve the 787 type as the US and Europe did. PE could be 8 across 2-4-2 & Y could be 2-4-3. Maintenance stops of 5 days or greater and all maintenance stops at outside bases. Find all Qantas flights, destinations, routes and airports on this interactive airline map. Then, flights from Europe tracking back to Perth stop in … They can do that daily with 1 aircraft (as can SYD-HND if the timings change to avoid the 16 hour ground stay in Tokyo). Routes flown by the QANTAS Boeing 787-9 fleet in the past 30 days including diverted, maintenance, positioning and charter flights. QF used to stopover in Bombay on the way to London from Melbourne/Sydney years ago (might even have been QF9) that would fill 2 markets. Even so, Joyce is keenly aware of the challenges in trying to see two years into the future through a cloudy crystal ball. I don't think so. Qantas is operating the new Perth-London service with the 787-9 Dreamliner. Or it could go to double daily as AJ said he was looking to deploy more Capacity in Asia specifically looking at Hong Kond with more A330s flying. The 236-seat airliner will serve the route six times a week, replacing the Boeing 747-400 service, which currently fly twice a week, thus complementing the daily A380 flight on the route. For full details. I would love to see a SYD-PEK route and a double daily HKG! Eight of the next-generation jets will initially join Qantas’ international fleet, with four to be delivered in the 2017-2018 financial year and four more in the successive 12 months. CX have 4 x SYD/HKG daily. Follow Australian Business Traveller on Twitter: we're @AusBT. All PR. Qantas gains and offers a massive network into Europe, Africa, ME and eastern seaboard of US using the EK hub. Plus I think it could help add some tourism here too. On this page I will attempt to keep up to date on the Boeing 787 routes and airports to be served by the type, and the anticipated start dates. I've flown from Cairns to Hong Kong on Cathay on a 747 before and that was almost 20 years ago.I don't know about OOL but maybe it can.Cairns is further away than SYD so that is why SYD would be preferable than CRN. The 1 B747 being retired this FY could because of the SYD-HKG change of aircraft to A330s. With the A380s grounded, the airline's Kangaroo Route from Sydney to London via Singapore will now be handed over to a Boeing 787. For older operations please see Jet Tracker. Perth needs to reintroduce QANTAS planes - can't wait until 2017-Do it now! $ aircraft is nothing, 8 might have some impact but QF will still be slogging along with very old noisy fuel guzzling 747s for years and huge limited application 380s. Is Qantas really going to compete with that? These flights are repositioning flights back to Sydney after Qantas operates another round of repatriation flights into Darwin. I definitely will look forward to resume using QF to fly Europe because since they stop use Singapore I flying with someone else via Asia. True, although it isn't always obvious.It blew my mind when I saw that Sydney was further from Singapore than Melbourne and it was faster to fly to Melbourne than Sydney from Hong Kong.Amazing world sometimes. A 7.50 min flight to manila. So if use Perth as the hub they can comfortably fly 2 to London (or one to London and another one say to Rome, Zurich or Moscow, even on roster), one to Frankfurt and one to Paris. ... Because BNE-LAX-BNE also requires 2 aircraft to run daily. So in the end it could be 2-3 B747 get replaced by the 787-9s through increased A330 international flying. Qantas Boeing 787-9 routes: Where will Qantas fly its new Dreamliners? Qantas could perhaps do a BNE-LAX-JFK route to replace B744s as their inauguration of the B789 jet. The well-flagged Perth-London nonstop service was announced first, but the first route … As borders come down, where can you travel across Australia? This trip down to Sydney (via Melbourne) was an award ticket obtained through the Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan. The +1s are currently Melbourne and Toronto. Qantas 787-9 Routes: Melbourne (MEL) - (LAX) Los Angeles (15 December 2017) Perth (PER) - (LHR) London (March 2018) Qantas 787-9 Details: Fleet Size: 0 Comments have been made elsewhere about the lack of alternate airports for flights from Europe to Perth, therefore increasing the range requirement. With increasing capacity to Japan, it could be that most of the growth in pax is in Y. I'll book a 10 hour overnight flight in PE. Last Update: 27 November 2020 ** With the ongoing Covid-19 crisis, many routes … Qantas has received its first Boeing 787 Dreamliner plane, the cutting-edge aircraft it will use next year to start flying the world's first non-stop route between Australia and London. Do Perth! Cairns can definitely take 747s. IMHO it does not make much sense to keep both. A hub from the eastern states into Africa and maybe India, yes. Anyway, if you want the chance to try Qantas’ new business class without having to even leave Australia, @airlineroute notes that Qantas has scheduled some domestic 787 flights (within Australia) for before the plane flies internationally.It’s normal for airlines to run domestic routes … Resend one to yourself here. I think you'll find that's actually a Qantas graphic. David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis. If you have a correction or addition, please e-mail me! Subscribe to our free newsletter and get the latest news, reviews, tips and more sent straight to your inbox. Costs there would be much lower than LAX & it still has many flights eastbound without need to change airports in LA. Virgin Australia, Air Canada frequent flyer partnership, Singapore Airlines: new KrisFlyer 2022-2023 status extension, Apple's own cellular modem could finally launch 5G MacBooks, Apple's new $900 AirPods Max noise-cancelling headphones, Apple's next Mac M2 laptop chips could out-muscle Intel, The Executive Traveller 2020 Christmas Gift Guide, Australian approval of Pfizer vaccine expected in January. Going through Sydney takes 13 hrs. but pleanty of alternates..... (SIN, KL, Denpasar?, etc). They may get around to restructing thier Board or even changing the CEO. How about an Adelaide  - Los Angeles nonstop or Hobart - Auckland- Los Angeles allowing Qantas to serve tasmania and return to NZ-US services? Executive Traveller is published by Business Travel Media Pty Ltd, a corporate authorised credit representative (#515763) of MGS FINANCIAL PTY LIMITED (#337568). Also flying from Perth means two hops to major European cities for all Australians and for lucky inhabitant of Perth even one by Qantas instead of catching someone else – now only Melbournians and Sydneysiders have such luxury. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Rome, Istanbul and Moscow are comfortably reachable, Zurich and Frankfurt are just reachable and London and Paris are just on other side of the edge of “reachability”. Firstly, I want to commend you on this fantastic website. Qantas has operated its first flight to Hong Kong using the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner, Singapore Airlines has introduced the Airbus A350-900 onto the Adelaide route, Air New Zealand has … Come on, Qantas! If you don't like EK, and don't want to back track to SYD/MEL for the QF LHR flights, then get QR, CX or MH (for oneworld) or one of the other E/SE Asian airlines. Little old Perth has no hope of offering anything extra. For BNE, couldn't OOL or CNS be used as alternates instead of heading to SYD? QANTAS Boeing 787-9 Fleet … Sydney-Johannesburg (14hrs) has to be a candidate for upgraded equipment. Graphic supplied by Qantas. + don't have to go daily on a thin route. Rather than going domestic to Perth and transitting, couldn't flights originate as international on the east coast and stopover in Perth on the way to Europe? If you’ve forgotten your password, simply enter your email address And then the A330 to A350 transition for pilots would be a sinch. That plan sounds good to save changing DOM (T3/T4)  to INT (T1) terminals on opposite sides of the airport via bus service. Hobart is served well enough from Melbourne. MIAMI — Qantas’ first Boeing 787-9 route will be a non-stop flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles, set to start in December next year, subject to final government and regulatory approval. I think flying out of Perth is a really good idea. I'd think they would start with SYD-HKG. any new routes as joyce says will be subject to the network and market forces at the time. This, coupled with the requirement of an extra set of crew simply make it  a non-starter. I believe it has sufficient ETOPS, but hte problem is that CASA hasn't approved AU carriers for more than 180 ETOPS, But Qantas has two years to work on this issue before the 789 arrives. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. The 787 has the needed type certification from FAA and EASA. Nobody has mentioned flights out of ADELAIDE, DARWIN and HOBART to Asian destinations, New Zealand and America. - yes I live in Darwin, so self interest triumphs! the big recession, we have to have. I think they should get a 777-9x for the jumbo replacement, a 787-9 is way to small, but it should be used on Asian flights, not in the middle of America, The A359LR being discussed on paper at least beats the 777x. Already have an ET account? The arrival of the 787-9s should coincide only around 18 months before the new airport link should open, allowing the seamless connectivity between the domestic and international terminals. The rest will probably be used for domestic routes. How about LAX-BNE? Currently we have to go to Sydney to fly to manila. Find out more about the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner Watch a time-lapse video of the Dreamliner being assembled at the Boeing factory in Seattle Opens external site in a new window Seat maps If Avalon is unavailable I believe Canberra can now accept 747s and then there is of course Sydney.For BNE, I don't know if Archerfield is an alternate but Sydney is only 800Km away and is the obvious alternate.Serveral airports around LAX can accept large planes.An A380 had to land at Ontario airport recently: https://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-and-virgin-land-at-littleused-airport-due-to-la-fog-20150206-137rwr.htmlThis report shows the sort of thinking that goes into alternates:  https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/1999/aair/aair199902817.aspx. Why.. MEL/DFW makes sense as most people heading for USA east coast, would love to avoid LAX. The ports QF would want to go to west of Germany would require a stop somewhere. These cookies do not store any personal information. Just NOT going to happen - not going to put themselves in a position where Y fares are another 20% more than the competition. Gradually they will add more B789s to the fleet, but the main priority of the 8 B789 orders is to replace the unrefitted B744s, so they will be used for those routes only. Just letting you know, you've got a red spot on Dubai ? You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Signing up with Executive Traveller only takes a second and lets you but haven't typed it in.....unless that could be Doha? Routesonline provides an update on the operations of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, looking at the top airlines and routes by capacity, as well as the... Read more. The new services will be operated by Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner … Suggest Qantas may pull out of MNL all together. The 789 might have the legs, but does it have sufficient ETOPS? IMHO it is far better that be travel agent for Emirates. I won't book the same flight in Y. There are plenty lonely enough airports that can be approached from ocean. Log in below. For much of most flights to BNE, CNS would be closer then SYD. Australia’s flag carrier Qantas is to open routes from Brisbane to Chicago and San Francisco before the end of April 2020. Qantas flight to Europe from Perth DO NOT MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE for several reasons. These flights, operated by 787 … Since the 8 newer A332s will be part time international it should help to achieve this. "Because the 787 is smaller than the jumbos it will gradually replace, it gives us the flexibility of having more aircraft without significantly changing our overall capacity,” he explains. Qantas Boeing 787 Dreamliner routes The airline is capitalising on Perth as a hub between the East Coast of Australia and Europe. So maybe some of the 787 flights will orginate BNE, MEL & even CBR. Nine abreast seating is just NOT ON for Long Haul Flights  on B787 A/C. Announcing Qantas’ Boeing 787 order, Joyce was quick to call out “long-range routes that we don’t fly today” as a prime example of Dreamliner flights. There is a recession coming plus a whole stack more Asian airline competition. Didn’t receive an activation email? parties. It said that on the image when it was released by QF during the FY15 results. Once the first eight Dreamliners have been delivered, Qantas will have three more than the five jumbo jets being put out to pasture. I agree, they will need to keep both.Perth to Europe can be done, but only just. For example, EK flies DXB to FRA 3 x daily, DXB to ROM; 3 x daily, even Hamburg gets 2 x daily flights. All the transpac routes require 2 aircraft to operate on a daily frequency. Talking point: have you given up on airport WiFi? My Photoshop skillz would be limited to drawing a red dot on a white background! Qantas is running some Boeing 787-9s on domestic routes this month. so true! If you have not received the activation email, simply enter your email address below, then click 'Submit'. In order to get a 3rd port, or more then 3000 seats/week for each side, the agreement needs to change. All other international routes, other then LHR, uses 2 aircraft per route for daily frequency. QANTAS 787-9 premium economy would’ve been a lot more fun if I didn’t have to wait so long for it. Its hard to take this too seriously. No one wants to transit Sydney. It appears that the bottom of the image where that statement was has been cropped on the version here. The most important concept for QANTAS to grasp,now ,  is that there must be that  POINT OF  DIFFERENCE in economy seating for Long Haul Routes . Posted 8 August 2017 12:31. Login now. Cool. AC is in the process of changing Melbourne to Brisbane. HND uses 2 due to the aircraft sitting at HND all day. 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It keeps the stop in australia and the chance for a really good sleep on the 2nd leg. Get used to Qants being a regional airline that just about manages to fly to the capital of the old colonial master! The 787-9s can't do the western parts of Europe from Perth. Qantas 787-9 Dreamliner First Routes A350 on the other hand, if Airbus is to be believe, might just have the legs. Firstl, the flight, even with a 787-9 is not as efficient as a single stop becuase of the additional fuel required to carry the addional fuel. We’ll send you an email containing the activation link. You’ll find the 787-9’s premium economy seats (Qantas’ best) on these routes: Los Angeles (LAX) – Brisbane (BNE) Los Angeles (LAX) – Melbourne (MEL) on QF 96 San Francisco (SFO) – Melbourne … The retiming of QF9/10 last year lowered the combined SYD/MEL-DXB-LHR requirement for 6 aircraft to 5. Come on, Qantas! SYD/MNL is an extremely low yield route. Deal with it!! Qantas routes and airport map Last updated on: 01-09-2021. There is also an argument that the same leg could continue on to a European capital, especially Frankfurt, as part of the QF/EK network offering. so Melbourne/Brisbane - DFW is great. “It’s got better range, can operate to routes the 747 can’t with full payload, it is a fantastic replacement aircraft with less risk associated with trying to fill up a smaller aircraft,” Joyce said. European routes tend to use 3 aircraft per route. Flights operated by QANTAS Boeing 787-9 aircraft in the past 30 days including maintenance, positioning, delivery and diverted flights. Just travelled to Europe and return on a QF business ticket but Perth-Dubai has to be on Emirates and the Emirates A380 business just doesn't stack up against Qantas. It would be nice if qantas think about using the 787 to fly melbourne to manila direct. Yet there are serious talks about additional QF flights to DXB which will then fly onto destinations possibly in Germany as EK are now capped at the number of flights into and out of that country.... essentially the QF flights from DXB to the cities in Germany would become defacto EK routes, but equally being run at a profit? Currently aircraft sits at LAX for around 17.5 hours. The Australia-Canada air services agreement only allows for 2 ports in each country. Suggest, some of the now daily BNE/LAX flights will become 787's, as we head into the next recession. "I'd suggest the Qantas graphic is purely for example of range! Did I mention that most of those airlines offer excellent premium cabins and have a lower cost base? The 787 can really only reach Istanbul and Athens from Perth.Even the 777-8x would struggle to reach Eastern Europe. Qantas' first regular 787 services are a year away, but the airline is already announcing the initial routes so it can increase its proposition in deeply significant markets (and also begin preparations while avoiding possible media leaks). interact with our community. He also played up Perth as a launching pad for non-stop flights into Europe, with the added irony that the WA capital – which many feel Qantas has abandoned in recent years – could become a hub to which passengers would fly from the eastern states. I doubt they will utilise all 50 options, but they will take in 20-35 aircraft for international routes. Or even MEL-DXB? With hub in Perth, smaller aircrafts and more Europe destinations Qantas may became company that really fly Europe. This should give enough time for the replacement of transcon A330s, followed by new Europe connections after. Already have an Executive Traveller account? Each Qantas Boeing 787-9 will carry around 250 passengers in business class, premium economy and economy compared to an average 360 on the Red Roo’s Boeing 747s. Qantas will soon be taking delivery of its brand new Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners and, thanks to the keen eyes over at Routes Online, we now know the first routes the airline will be using to get its crews accustomed to the airline’s latest arrival. The Qantas website has the … Additionally, Perth has more than 10 airlines which offer 1 stop services to most major European cities. Secondly, as busines travellers, you should know that frequency is important. And if you want to hop on a Dreamliner, there are more than 50 routes flying … The curious case of the Qantas 787 … “The routes we have in mind today will probably be very different to the routes we end up having this aircraft on” says the Qantas chief, who cut his teeth in the local airline industry planning routes and schedules at Qantas and Ansett. Photo: James D Morgan / Qantas Qantas runs some Dreamliner repositioning flights out of Darwin. Qantas's biggest problem is it too Sydney centric. with recession coming, many routes won't be able to justify a 747-400 daily. Qantas says 87% of flyers willing to take COVID vaccine if required, Hilton Honors 2021 status match unlocks fast-track to Gold, Diamond, How to get a free upgrade to Emirates premium economy, Virgin Australia reopens Perth, Gold Coast lounges, 5 reasons you shouldn't bin your boarding passes, What to do when an airline cancels your flight, New ways for airlines to win your business. QANTAS Boeing 787-9 Routes. Difference between 8 & 9 across is a maximum of 1.9 inches or 4.8cm in seat width, altho b careful, as not all measurments are the same, eg. Since the early 1970s this 24-hour trek was the exclusive domain of the Qantas Boeing 747, with the jumbo supplanted by the A380 superjumbo … But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. It’s a good two years until the first Qantas Boeing 787-9 makes its inaugural flight towards the tail end of 2017, but which routes will be graced by the Dreamliner? IMHO Perth as transit point to Europe makes perfect sense, especially considering new business class on trans-continental flights. This is only enhanced by the Dreamliners boasting greater range than the Boeing 747s. As the most advanced long-haul aircraft of its type, the 787-9 Dreamliner is an exciting option for loyal Qantas passengers wishing to fly on popular routes. So more likely to be used on existing routes with frequency additions... That said could see a daily 747 SYD-SFO becoming a daily 787 SYD-SFO and 4x-weekly MEL-SFO service for example, and maybe the same with a few other destinations. third We were lucky enough to be on QF10 London to Dubai and this was absolutelty much superior to Emirates. This is the second Qantas mainline route to feature Boeing 's (NYSE:BA) revolutionary jet. 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